Many people in the United States and Latin America have grown up celebrating the anniversary of Christopher Columbus's voyage, but was he an intrepid explorer who brought two worlds together or a ruthless exploiter who brought colonialism and slavery? And did he even discover America at all? It's time to put Columbus on the stand in History vs. Christopher Columbus. "Order, order in the court. Wait, am I even supposed to be at work today?" <i>Cough</i> "Yes, your Honor. From 1792, Columbus Day was celebrated in many parts of the United States on October 12th, the actual anniversary date. But although it was declared an official holiday in 1934, individual states aren't required to observe it. Only 23 states close public services, and more states are moving away from it completely." <i>Cough</i> "What a pity. In the 70s, we even moved it to the second Monday in October so people could get a nice three-day weekend, but I guess you folks just hate celebrations." "Uh, what are we celebrating again?" "Come on, Your Honor, we all learned it in school. Christopher Columbus convinced the King of Spain to send him on a mission to find a better trade route to India, not by going East over land but sailing West around the globe. Everyone said it was crazy because they still thought the world was flat, but he knew better. And when in 1492 he sailed the ocean blue, he found something better than India: a whole new continent." "What rubbish. First of all, educated people knew the world was round since Aristotle. Secondly, Columbus didn't discover anything. There were already people living here for millennia. And he wasn't even the first European to visit. The Norse had settled Newfoundland almost 500 years before." "You don't say, so how come we're not all wearing those cow helmets?" "Actually, they didn't really wear those either." <i>Cough</i> "Who cares what some Vikings did way back when? Those settlements didn't last, but Columbus's did. And the news he brought back to Europe spread far and wide, inspiring all the explorers and settlers who came after. Without him, none of us would be here today." "And because of him, millions of Native Americans aren't here today. Do you know what Columbus did in the colonies he founded? He took the very first natives he met prisoner and wrote in his journal about how easily he could conquer and enslave all of them." "Oh, come on. Everyone was fighting each other back then. Didn't the natives even tell Columbus about other tribes raiding and taking captives?" "Yes, but tribal warfare was sporadic and limited. It certainly didn't wipe out 90% of the population." "Hmm. Why is celebrating this Columbus so important to you, anyway?" "Your Honor, Columbus's voyage was an inspiration to struggling people all across Europe, symbolizing freedom and new beginnings. And his discovery gave our grandparents and great-grandparents the chance to come here and build better lives for their children. Don't we deserve a hero to remind everyone that our country was build on the struggles of immigrants?" "And what about the struggles of Native Americans who were nearly wiped out and forced into reservations and whose descendants still suffer from poverty and discrimination? How can you make a hero out of a man who caused so much suffering?" "That's history. You can't judge a guy in the 15th century by modern standards. People back then even thought spreading Christianity and civilization across the world was a moral duty." "Actually, he was pretty bad, even by old standards. While governing Hispaniola, he tortured and mutilated natives who didn't bring him enough gold and sold girls as young as nine into sexual slavery, and he was brutal even to the other colonists he ruled, to the point that he was removed from power and thrown in jail. When the missionary, Bartolomé de las Casas, visited the island, he wrote, 'From 1494 to 1508, over 3,000,000 people had perished from war, slavery and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this?'" "Well, I'm not sure I believe those numbers." "Say, aren't there other ways the holiday is celebrated?" "In some Latin American countries, they celebrate the same date under different names, such as Día de la Raza. In these places, it's more a celebration of the native and mixed cultures that survived through the colonial period. Some places in the U.S. have also renamed the holiday, as Native American Day or Indigenous People's Day and changed the celebrations accordingly." "So, why not just change the name if it's such a problem?" "Because it's tradition. Ordinary people need their heroes and their founding myths. Can't we just keep celebrating the way we've been doing for a century, without having to delve into all this serious research? It's not like anyone is actually celebrating genocide." "Traditions change, and the way we choose to keep them alive says a lot about our values." "Well, it looks like giving tired judges a day off isn't one of those values, anyway." Traditions and holidays are important to all cultures, but a hero in one era may become a villain in the next as our historical knowledge expands and our values evolve. And deciding what these traditions should mean today is a major part of putting history on trial.
从研究历史的角度出发,我觉得这部电影拍得比较符合史实,没有因为故事好看百杜撰很多虚构的事实。百分之九十是真的。
演员很棒,很少带入感。
当然,这个片子因为太符合史实,有点像流水帐,缺乏高潮。
另外,缺乏太强的反面角色,导致电影不好看。
海上航行中,关于确定角度和速度的细节不错。
总体不错,打四分。
场面浩大,服化道赏心悦目,老雷的击剑情结也得到了再现,结尾带有一种童话般的纯真气质
当年大扑街的项目,今天重看来竟然缓缓地又有点味道。
台词考究这是肯定的,音乐有一段真是不知道是不是本剧的原创?实在太赞了,而且这个攻击异形的女帝来当女王性格实在让人大爱,平普的节奏孕育出不一样的壮举,继续废话,我觉得哥伦布是在搞科研,方向、未知……
he didn't own sth,while he built that all
new world, not better world for him.
范吉利斯的主题配乐真是气势恢宏,名不虚传。片子大体上按一般历史上认定的进程进行,不过没有把侧重点放在发现之旅上,而是通过描写发现第一块大陆(其实是太平洋群岛)以及和原住民进行交流,接着进行殖民活动,但是遭遇挫败的角度,较为立体的塑造出一个人物形象。总体来说还是有可看点,稍显平淡。
原来那么多牛逼的音乐都来自于这部影片!虽然剧情。。。
老雷初试史诗片,恰好在哥伦布首次航行500周年上映。剧情略松散,且笔墨基本集中于哥伦布发现大陆后的治理,讲他如何平定内乱和获取资源,以及这些活动对原住民的影响;相较而言旅途艰险并没有得到太多的渲染(哥伦布几句话的演讲就让信心动摇的船员团结一致了),但看到首次航行中雾中缓缓现出真容的陆地我还是被触动了一下。电影着重表现出了哥伦布理想主义者的一面,他以发现新世界,建设文明为荣,带着一种近乎偏执的狂热,但总体态度还是褒大于贬的。对欧洲中世纪风貌的还原做得还行,精美服装衬得《异形》中以中性面貌示人的西格尼·韦弗异常艳丽。而范吉利斯的配乐恢弘而大气(尤其是那首经典的《Conquest of Paradise》,听得人想马上收拾行李踏上未知的征程),有时间要听这部的OST。
雷公又一部被低估的片。被后世用到烂的范吉利斯的配乐就不说了,二十多年后格雷的《迷失Z城》显然是在本片基础上所构建的杰作,甚至连那个神一般的结尾感觉都是受到了这部片结尾的启发
with樂 SEP; 配樂超棒,好多耳熟的音樂都出自這裡;感覺美化了侵略史
1.雷德利的选角都是成功的 2.影片的故事人物和背景太重,导致结构松散不紧凑 3.想说的太多 4.Vangelis 应该不会想到他雄壮的航海配乐会广泛用于中国各大传销年会 5.Sigourney Weaver 真女王气场 6.点赞表白服装化妆,请收下膝盖
3星半 雷公初试史诗片,其实已经很有《角斗士》的前身了,尤其是一流的视听效果,实景实物实在令人惊叹,配乐更是点睛之笔,用了Vangelis的名曲《Conquest of Paradise》担当主题乐,唯一可惜的是故事上并没乐曲这般的磅礴雄势。其实无论政治还是人性,“哥伦布”这题材能讲的东西都太多了,是完全能有更多深度的题材,但硬塞154分钟里也实在有心无力,格局过大,就连人物也仓促得更显粗糙。但当我面对那首传世的名曲时,我突然意识到,这些都已毫不重要了,在这等宏魄的律调中,影片所带来的,远远比不上听者所想象的——那些乘风破浪的船只,在那段日月逾迈的岁月里,承载着一群孤注一掷的探险家。所有的欲望与梦想,所有的热血与伟大,沸腾着,歌颂着,炽烈地闪耀令人睁不开眼睛。哥伦布是终究征服不了天堂的,但是这首曲子可以,因它就是为此存在的
8.5「All created by people like me,no matter how long you live,one thing will never change between us—I did it,you didn’t.」;很多年前朋友推荐过这部作品的原声给身处泥潭中的我 我也因此从中获取了力量 数年后伴随熟悉的原声观看这部作品 虽然将她定位为诗史略觉夸大 但影片中的那股勇气与坚韧在我看来永远是渺小的人类通往壮丽辉煌的大路的指向灯;没有这一步的尝试 恐怕雷公也没有日后的角斗士和天国王朝这样的不朽之作。
2012-282.重看,三星半。音乐太熟悉了…
【补標】蓝光影碟再看为了一首MV重新验证再看蓝光影碟从头到尾……今网上有人发了这首《远航》Sailing这首歌MV(用了电影🎦画面),勾起我的重新再看的想法,其实该片从头到尾没有这首歌曲的出现,我想是音乐人自己后配的MV根据哥伦布航海的宏大主题,倒是那些在我们电视剧里的主题曲耳闻能详的不绝于耳从头到尾反复出现。不知道“引用”者在电视剧后面注明没有人家的原创版权(题外话)……——『生命比梦想更富有想象色彩』2021-7-9 蓝光影碟重新再看
想知道莱德利斯科特对此类题材的偏爱与执着从何而来……
155分钟的长片讲述一个"人所共知"的故事,五百年前的壮举不过如此?
在一个相信圣诞老人的时代,你要问的是:世界的东方有什么?地球的地理格局是怎样的?哪些是当时宗教禁止做的事?谁的理论主导了当时社会对世界的认知?社会对私有财产的态度是什么?当时的科学宗教和医学的状况。人们是怎么进行航行的?船上的等级制度,谁决定航行的时长?与RS他作一样肤浅。
是梦想家也是实干者 雾散露出海岛的一幕实在是感人 在海上漂了这么久更知道脚下土地的坚实 群岛和大陆 只差一个多星期的航程啊 idealism and ambition are not incompatible.riches don't make a man rich,they only make him busier. nothing that results from human progress is achieved with unanimous consent. 画面对比反差似乎不大 两个孩子都长得很清秀啊
被配乐撑起来的电影,整体上和一篇命题作文没什么两样。