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    疯狂前女友第二季

    欧美剧美国2016

    主演:蕾切尔·布鲁姆  圣蒂诺·方塔纳  维拉.洛弗尔  尤金·科德罗  艾米·希尔  罗宾·托马斯  斯蒂夫·蒙罗埃  吉娜·盖莱果  

    导演:马克·韦布

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    更新时间:2023-09-01 12:42

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    CW已续订《疯狂前女友》第二季。

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     1 ) The case for Greg

    转自://www.reddit.com/r/crazyexgirlfriend/comments/606sxn/the_case_for_greg/
    配合观看作者的video essay://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk69L-fHY9I

    Why am I writing this? I read discussions on this sub that suggested that Rachel Bloom is frustrated with the fandom's fixation on Greg, because for her this was a secondary story line and the important part is Rebecca's character arc and development. I don't know if that's really how she feels but it makes perfect sense to be upset about something like that, and I know for a fact that some fans think that way. I even relate to this idea, because I often get mad at how current media is obsessing on romantic relationships over any other subject. I care deeply about Rebecca herself because I identify with her on so many levels, but I also ship Rebecca and Greg pretty hard. I wrote this as an attempted explanation of the passion of Grebecca1 shippers, where our feelings about this relationship stem from and why we think it's important, even if not the most important part of the show. Despite how I phrased that, I didn't talk about this with a lot of fans, and the opinions are just my opinions. You'll see that on one hand I completely understand Rachel's supposed disapproval of the #teamgreg movement, and on the other hand, I think it's to be expected and is even somewhat encouraged by the show. However, I'd like to emphasize that despite everything I'm going to say I don't see a point in tweeting at Rachel and Aline with questions about Greg all the time. They already planned the next two seasons and I'm confident that whatever they had in mind, whether or not it includes Greg, will be good. But yeah, I would be happy if it includes Greg.
    The reason why has two parts: 1. Why should we debate Rebecca's dating life at all, if it's secondary to her journey towards happiness. 2. If we do want to see Rebecca in a relationship, why Greg of all men?
    So first of all, why should we ship Rebecca at all? The entire point of the show is that it pretends to be about relationships, but really isn't. The real goal is Rebecca's happiness. Josh is just the means to get that, even if Rebecca fails to make this distinction and mistakes him for the actual goal. We know that Josh in fact is neither, and Rebecca learns that too, very gradually. She thought they'd never have problems again, once she was with him, but it turns out to not be so. The truth is, no man can make Rebecca happy. Her problems go way beyond a man not returning her love. Her happiness needs to come from within first, and she needs to be alone for a while to get there. The show has been teasing this development all along, and Rebecca outright says it to Dr. Akopian before Josh proposes. All this build up made me think she will start that journey, as she calls it, at the end of season 2, but it seems to still be a bit farther down the road. What we know for sure is that it will happen, Rebecca will take some alone time to get over her own issues, her deep rooted problems that can't be done away with a boyfriend. So if that's Rebecca's real endgame, why are we still talking about who she should date? I saw people asking that here. Well, I'm talking about it because even if right now Rebecca isn't ready for a healthy relationship, that does not deny the existence of her sexual being, as she so cringingly named it. And it's not just sex, she also has romantic needs, and it seems that she is interested in starting a family and having kids. These aspirations and needs are all part of her identity. The fact that her mental health won't allow it right now, doesn't mean she doesn't deserve it some day. There's no shame in wanting a man, if that's something you need. Being dependant on a man may not be a good idea, but wanting a romantic relationship is just fine. Her problem isn't wanting a boyfriend, her problem is that she believes that a boyfriend will solve all of her problems. Saying that she must finish the show single can suggest that the desire for romance is one of the issues she should solve by the end of the show. Sure, I want to see Rebecca learn to make herself happy on her own, but I hope to see her get to the level of being able to maintain a healthy relationship. I think she should end up with a guy, but not in a delusional and needy way, but from a good place. That will show that she truly completed her journey.
    So up to here I explained why I want to see Rebecca end the show in a relationship. Honestly, that's the important part. I wanted to make it clear that ending up with a guy won't mean that Rebecca didn't complete her healing process. But like I said, I'm going to continue to the second part: why I direct this "yes to Rebecca having a boyfriend" energy towards Greg specifically.
    First of all, let's get it out of the way: Santino Fontana is super hot. It's my subjective opinion, but it is worth mentioning and I'm not gonna pretend it doesn't play a part in my hopes to see him back on the show. But it really isn't the entire reason I want it to happen, or even the majority of it.
    Hey, you probably say now, did you forget that their relationship was a shitshow? Why would you want to see them back together after they themselves acknowledged they were bad for each other? Well, dear reader, I think the question is why was their relationship a shitshow. The thing is, I don't think they are inherently incompatible. I actually think they are fundamentally great for each other. They share a sense of humor, they share interests, they have great chemistry, they enjoy each other's company and they care for each other. What made their relationship a shitshow is all the other stuff - all of their underlying issues that they needed to address. For Greg it would be the alcoholism, the fear of commitment, the attempts to shield himself with cynicism and his insecurity. For Rebecca it would be her low self esteem, her belief that she cannot be loved, her self destructive tendencies and her delusional obsession with Josh and the happiness she thinks he will bring her. Their date to Beans' party was a mess because of Rebecca's obsession with Josh. Their date to the taco festival2 was ruined by Rebecca's inability to allow herself to advance towards happiness and health, and her attempt to sabotage herself. Their relationship in the last few episodes of season 1 concluded in the horrible wedding date by Greg's drunkenness and his fear of opening up and making himself vulnerable. And the reason Rebecca didn't confess her feelings before the wedding is, again, her delusions. All of their behaviors that cooked up that shitshow are not who they are. Those are the things that they're trying to shed to become happier. Greg already started doing it by going sober and pursuing his dreams. Rebecca is still struggling but like I mentioned earlier, we know she will heal eventually. Once they both will be healthier, I don't see why they couldn't work together.
    Now, let's take a second to look at Rebecca's other options: Trent: not gonna happen, and we all know why. Josh: not only did they burn the bridges in the season 2 finale, it was clearly not going in a good direction before. The power balance in this relationship was all off and Josh was uninvolved and uncaring, just like he was with Valencia. And most importantly, he hasn't much in common with Rebecca. Half of what she says goes over his head, and they don't have anything working for them but raw passion, which obviously can't last long. Nathaniel: I object to this ship mainly because I don't think that a feminist show should sell us a relationship between a woman and her boss who harassed her as a healthy relationship. Even if he overcomes his daddy issues and toxic masculinity, their relationship started with sexual harassment, and I don't want the show to give people the idea that such behavior is redeemable. My reasoning here is political rather than plot related, but I think the show is responsible for the messages it sends out to the public. This is however not the only reason I don't think Nathaniel is the best pairing for Rebecca.
    In addition to the flaws I mentioned, I see two main differences between Greg and those three other guys. The first being that Greg cares about Rebecca. He cares so much that it scares him, sometimes into somewhat shitty behavior, but still. He doesn't like being emotionally involved but he is. He likes her for her, and not for how she makes him feel about himself. In contrast: Trent's approach to Rebecca is a childish obsession, she's just the object of his infatuation, it's not at all about her. Josh only wants a pretty girl to adore him. Every step he takes in his relationship with Rebecca is because she made him feel important in some way: the camp letter, the court case, the chicken soup. He just wants whatever girl to pine over him, and he doesn't pay any attention to her3. Nathaniel started off completely selfish - he needs to have sex with Rebecca and that's all that matters. He seemed to have actually cared about Rebecca when he brought her dad over, but then his "hero" speech in the season 2 finale showed he's still all about himself. The other thing that separates Greg from the others is related to the fact that in order to have a healthy relationship Rebecca needs a healthy partner. Of course, every one of this guys can grow up and overcome his problems. I hope they all do it, at least for their own sake. At the moment, though, Greg is the only one who started to work on his problems so he has the greatest chance of being what Rebecca needs.
    I said earlier that the show somehow encourages you to think of Greg as Rebecca's endgame, and that's the reason I'm baffled by the idea that Rachel may not be happy by all the #teamgreg comments. If you didn't want us to be so fixated on Rebecca's relationship with Greg, you didn't have to drop so many hints that this relationship is so important. First of all, the entire story arc of the first season is about Greg, and the season is bookended by two of their failed dates and by them letting each other down. The dream ghost session is extremely frustrating because it tries to grab the stick on both ends. Dr. Dream Ghost Akopian says that the vision was not supposed to be about the men in Rebecca's life, but in the meantime the episode makes it very clear that it is at least somewhat about Rebecca overlooking Greg. And while It Was a Shitshow could have served as a clear cut ending to the Rebecca and Greg story, it ended up insinuating the opposite by never finishing the last sentence in the song. I know this ending was probably forced on the song by the network only allowing two bleeps4, but it made the song - and through it Greg and Rebecca's entire love story - feel unresolved. Greg ascending into an obvious heaven imagery suggests fatality, but in the meantime the last word of the song is left hanging in the air, and it feels like he left some loose ends that he may have to come back and tie.
    Now, if it turned out Greg's story is really over and the show introduced a new love interest for Rebecca, who has all of the necessary qualities I mentioned, I would be okay with it and approve of them being together. Any man who shares her interests, gets along with her, really cares about her and is capable of maintaining an adult relationship will do. Right now though, the only guy who has any potential of being good for Rebecca, is Greg. That's why I want him back, of course, only when he and Rebecca are both stable and fulfilled. It's still all about Rebecca for me. I want her to be happy, I want her to have a complete life, I want all the good in the world for her, because the show did a great job of making her raise our empathy and getting us invested in her life. The show is not about men. It's about Rebecca's happiness. I just think Greg can be part of that happiness.

     2 ) 2x10很精彩!

    Rebecca通过家庭聚会有了进步,终于意识到自己的问题应该自己面对,而不是期待爱情会是解决一切烦恼的魔法,我作为老母亲的心情简直和那位心理医生一样惊喜!可惜剧还要继续演,所以Josh在Rebecca她奇葩老妈的助攻下的突然求婚打断了这个过程。不过没关系,大家都知道这婚肯定及不成:Josh上一次被长辈助攻递家传宝戒的结果大家都看到了,更不用说他这次求婚的心态很大程度也基于“这次恋情必须work out”的想法。这剧的主旨其实并不在爱情,而是用言情drama刻画认识自我的成长过程,我感觉还是很棒的!另外这集的支线Nathaniel和Darryl对于和父亲的关系的谈心过程也很好看。

    但是前几集看的我真有点蛋疼,感情drama过多了,Rebecca和Josh这两人看起来真是病的不轻,隔段时间再见就各种不管怎样都要bgm慢动作你就是我的真爱旧情复燃一下,然后因为各种原因再次怀疑自己的选择,吃着碗里想着锅里,充满了重复重复再重复的令人窒息的套路,要不是总算可以看到人物在慢慢进步,就真的得摔剧了。

    但是,这前两季应该还不是最drama的,所以我有点担心我的三观,能否完好地挺过全剧。

     3 ) She does have issues to address

    在11集里揭示越来越清楚了。女主除了从小得不到爱,被已婚教授抛弃,从此落下心理疾病。还有她自己对出身的东北部小镇、犹太人社群都讨厌。而对周围环境的讨厌恰恰说明了女主讨厌自己。讨厌的原因就是她一而再再而三感受不到来自他人的爱。她对Josh只是一种fantasy, someone can solve all her problems. 显然是不现实的。更重要的是,Josh与Valencia最后没在一起,和女主如此沉迷Josh chan是一个道理,即Josh本身未长大,他代表的是女主高中summer camp最开心的日子。没有法学院、没有辩论赛,只有她喜欢的合唱。

    所以纽约也好、律所高强度的工作也好,不是女主想要逃离的核心原因。核心原因是她找不到爱。但是爱不是在外部的,不是她始终想要获得却永远得不到的渣男父亲的爱,也不是来自自私势莉只会Push她的母亲,也不应该是Robert, Greg, Josh Chan, 这些unavailable man, 以为获得了他们的爱就能弥补父母对她的爱。爱是来自自身。她对自己的爱,朋友们Paula、Heather, 甚至Valencia的爱。但首先她也要懂得爱人,总是自私地去索取Paula而不是真的关心她。这在第二季里女主完成了修炼。至于怎样可以爱自己,最终得到真正的幸福?这是第三季要讲的事吧。

     短评

    第二季也和第一季一样无脑,可能是耶鲁法学院纽约名律师辞职追求爱情的设定不太容易让观众产生共鸣

    8分钟前
  • 七姐Claudia
  • 还行
  • Becca唱到’daddy’s little girl, princess of this world’的时候哪个观众的心上没有被插一刀。《Dear Joshua Felix Chan》也终于褪掉了所有光环,发现他只是一个肌肉发达笑容可爱的凡人。

    9分钟前
  • Rocinante
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  • 等等,这是季终集?Josh请你狗带,然后girls must stick together

    13分钟前
  • SundanceKid🌈
  • 还行
  • 之前和前任一起看的 有点新意 歌曲不错 就是男主josh太没感觉了。。。

    17分钟前
  • tankdream
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  • 第二季我把所有歌舞部分快进了。。。

    21分钟前
  • 朴九月
  • 还行
  • 精彩!好疯好喜欢!走了Greg来了新老板,太好了和Josh压根就不配,每个人在没有解决好自己的问题之前真的不要结婚,太难了!有谁和我一样觉得神父超级性感的吗!!!

    23分钟前
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  • 毫无吸引力的josh,就是rebacca和自己过不去的证明。fontana 下线的时候差点弃剧,靠着作曲过世的消息撑过下半季。

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    29分钟前
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  • 看喜剧能看哭的不多,这剧是一个,Rebecca真是让人心疼,她是多缺爱多么怕失去啊,男二中间离开真是大快人心第一季就烦他,和整部戏气质不搭。

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  • 不要以为得到爱情以后就能解决自己所有问题,得自己下功夫找到自己问题的源头才能获得解脱

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    41分钟前
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    46分钟前
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  • 消遣看。

    49分钟前
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  • Greg 走了之后追的唯一动力就是老板cp 了。这剧本真的是,把人物写得都太歇斯底里了,对角色的好感真的全无……

    54分钟前
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  • 总体水平比S1下降不少,好在Greg走了后来了个讨喜的男配,以及季终神来一笔好评。

    57分钟前
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  • Greg 走了,差点以为自己要弃剧了。but who am I kidding? This is a brilliant show! Greg 最后一首歌简直好听爆炸好吗!Santa Ana Wind 也很有意思(上课刚学了这个,据说这玩意儿真的可以让加州人民神智不清)

    58分钟前
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  • 走了Santino Fantana,来了Scott Michael Foster,可以可以!中间小雪客串了三集,真的好怀念她的歌声啊...原以为“Valencia”没了,结果这一季最有意思的就是几个人当闺蜜的桥段。这一季的歌舞不足,多是对各类hit歌的rip off【尽管Scott演绎黄毛的Shape of You简直苏炸~

    60分钟前
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  • 本来是经典romcom男主配置的Greg走了,让我很留恋他的蠢萌的脸和那把好嗓子,但是第二季的发展还挺有意思。冬歇回来果然安排上了个新的love interest,还是冤家对头的romcom的套路配置,期待你们能搞出啥新花样。结局该剧又超出了我的想象,下一季是rebecca的复仇?一下子有了新的期待。

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